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moore. thanks to our guest and our beautiful audience. lawrence o'donnell starts right now.
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senator john mccain was one of the original sponsors of the dream act. this weekend, he voted no. mccain once and to support repealing don't ask, don't tell. this weekend, he voted no. joe klein of "time" magazine who knows him well explains why with one word, bitter. >> i'm curious about john mccain. >> doesn't seem like the kind of mccain we've seen in some years past. >> the original maverick has left the senate. >> the original mavericks. >> he hasn't been a maverick, he's been a side kick. >> senator john mccain once famous for bipartisan compromise, even in his concession speech on election night is now working the republican party line, blocking, obstructing, and contradicting. john mccain. >> john mccain, for example,
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against the bush tax cuts for the richest americans. john mccain, on the other hand, totally for those very same tax cuts. >> on the dream act. >> we've been outside john mccain's office in phoenix for the past 19 days. we were outside of his office watching c-span online. >> that was the sound of a dream dying. >> after famously saying he'd support repeal of don't ask, don't tell. >> we ought to consider seriously changing it. >> he becomes its allowest opponent. >> oppose john mccain's shameless filibuster. >> and finds a way to blame gays and lesbians for wounded soldiers. >> we are doing great damage, harm the battle effectiveness which is so vital to the support, to the survival of our young men and women in military. >> i think my father will filibuster, probably. i think this will probably pass. >> the former maverick has even surprised his colleagues by openly turning the senate floor
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into a game. >> for those not understanding what just happened, did we just win. >> stood up and said, enough. stop. >> in the final days of the 111th congress, democrats are still looking for bipartisan success. >> still hope for the 9/11 health bill. >> now the goal is to ratify s.t.a.r.t. nuclear arms committee. >> but will have to bypass mccain. >> next january 5th we will all love one another and kumbaya, i don't think so. are we stricken with amnesia? what is going on here? good evening from los angeles. i'm lawrence o'donnell. president obama is expected to sign the repeal of don't ask, don't tell into law on wednesday, which passed the senate on saturday by a vote of 65 to 31 voting nay. in fact, leading the opposition despite an endorsement of repeal by defense secretary gates and joint chiefs chair mike mullen
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was former self-proclaimed maverick senator john mccain who found no need for facts in his argument. >> don't think that it won't be at great cost. harm the battle effectiveness which is so vital to the support and survival of our young men and women in the military. >> in 2006, mccain said that he would seriously consider the repeal of the ban on openly gay members of the military if their leadership recommended it. >> the day that the leadership of the military comes to me and says, senator, we ought to change the policy, then i think we ought to consider seriously changing it, because those leaders of the military are the ones we give the responsibility to. >> it wasn't the first time mccain has turned on mccain. there was john mccain in 1989 dragged in front of the senate
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ethics committee for his part in the keating five fund-raising scandal who then became john mccain the hero of campaign finance reform, who this year became the john mccain strangely at peace to the supreme court's decision to remove limits on political advertising. >> the supreme court has spoken. i respect their decision. >> again an again on immigration, bush tax cuts, climate change, the importance of bipartisanship, even on whether he's a maverick or not, mccain has turned on himself and left the rest of us to wonder, what's up with john mccain? joining me now are cliff schecter, the author of "the real mccain." anna marie cox, washington correspondent for "gq" magazine.
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cliff, who is the real john mccain. or should i say, is there a real john mccain or has he always just been a politician who makes convenient self-serving choices? >> thanks for having me here, lawrence. yeah, that's what it's been. i tried to argue in my book "the real mccain" in 2008 someone who often made decisions and legislated based on anger and vindictiveness. laltly if you see him walking around, he's so angry, so bitter, i sometimes feel like he's doing performance art for what an aneurysm looks like. he's so over the top. i look at it -- in my book i look back to what happened in 2000 when everyone was giving him credit for being a moderate. the truth was he was so angry at the bush team for beating him, he purposely went and disagreed on taxes and patient's bill of rights that in the past they agreed with him on. i kind of worried in my book if he lost obama, he would become a
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nasty, angry man. he didn't believe obama was a guy better than him, should have been in the same room as him. you see that playing out all the time. that's your answer to who the real mccain is. somebody much more mott vaded sadly by this vindictiveness anger than by the greater angels which many people those. >> anna marie, let's consider his maverick history. last april he said, "i never considered myself a maverick. i considered myself a person who serves the people of arizona to the best of his abilities." and here is how he described himself on the campaign trail in 2008. >> what maverick really means, what this team of maverick really means is we understand who we work for. >> anna marie, is he not hip to the whole videotape thing, like we actually have this stuff and
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can play it. >> the pictures on the tv, are there little people inside there. who put me inside the little machine. i don't want to make fun of him too much. i'm probably more sympathetic to him than cliff is. but the operative word is protect bitter rather than amnes amnesiac. he remembers things that have been done to him. he changes his mind on issues like climate change, immigration, relationships with vietnam. he's never changed his mind on an issue because people have confronted him directly on it. he's always changed his mind over time in a drip drip kind of way. people around him have influenced him. the kind of people who can make those arguments to him have sort of disappeared. so now when he's confronted with direct arguments and confronted by the same people we used to think of as allies or co-mavericks, across the aisle
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to join, he digs his heels in deeper, on the don't ask, don't tell, s.t.a.r.t. treaty, but he's behaving in an un-mccain kind of way. >> cliff, joe klein has really turned on john mccain. he's a very close student of politicians, their character. he gets up close, he writes close, gets in deep. he said in his most recent piece on mccain, called him a flagrantly cynical and cowardly politician. joe also says i used to know a different john mccain. the guy who proposed comprehensive immigration reform with ted kennedy. it seems like what i'm hearing from you, cliff, is, no, no, you didn't know a different john mccain. he was fooling you. >> with all respect to joe klein, i think the way he looks at him now is entirely correct. he's bitter. he wasn't a different john
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mccain. he just was in a different phase. he goes through these different phases. i'll jump off what anna marie was saying. sometimes you don't know he switches over time. when he's in a battle, it's a crusade, a fight to the end. it's personal. if he's standing on the same side, let's say campaign finance reform or immigration, he's busy calling the other side unspeakable names, saying how stupid they are, questioning their very morality. so when he suddenly makes it to the other side, it's not like he's a guy that was in the middle and thought something somewhat. he seems to always have to be on that side, always have to be in a fight in leading someone. that's where the anger and bitterness comes out. i think what joe is talking about is back in the early 2000s when he was working well, co-sponsored patient bill of rights with ted kennedy, close the gun show loophole, doing a
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lot of that kind of stuff. there were ulterior motives. he was trying to jab at president bush. until he decided he may want to run for president again, that behavior didn't change. >> and anna marie, wasn't there historically an ulterior motive for campaign crusade. the keating five scandal in front of the ethics committee, had to defend himself on that. he does an immediate turn out of that into, gee, what cause am i going to champion now, campaign reform. wasn't that about cleaning the hands from the scandal he was in? >> let's say turn arnold schwarzenegger are not always a bad thing. it was a correct thing to become a campaign finance champion after the keating five scandal. i think some of the things we're talking about, some of the changes of heart he's had haven't necessarily been for the
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wrong reasons. i think the problem here with mccain, i guess i have a slightly more sympathetic view than cliff, he does fight from the gut. sometimes he happens to land on the right side of things or the side you and i may agree with. whatever side he's on, though, he definitely digs in his heels. there's no such thing as a passive sort of partisan on his part. i think that he -- when it comes like don't ask, don't tell, when he went for years saying he would take the word of the leadership in the military on this, i interviewed him on my radio show in 2009 and said the same thing. in 2009 he said he would be further ahead than obama would be on the very same subject in terms of the doing the research. when it comes right down to it, he has to be the leader on it. when he hasn't made up his mind he'll go to wherever his latest thought was. on don't ask, don't tell, it was against repeal. >> cliff and anna marie, thanks
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for your insights tonight. >> thanks so much, lawrence. president obama is slowly chalking up one legislative win after another in the lame duck session of congress. dennis kucinich tells us if he gave away too much. after a republican filibuster stopped the bill, democrats think they might still find a way of passing health care assistance for the rescue workers. ♪ [ male announcer ] you know her. we know diamonds.
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and liberal democrats, what do they think about what the president that has done during the lame duck session in congress. dennis kucinich joins us. msnbc's joint effort with unicef to help students in africa. how many desks have you donated to our kids in need of desks program? already more than i could ever have hoped.
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going into this lame duck session, it looked as if president obama would be fighting an uphill battle with just about everyone, with no end in sight. republicans had a list of demands and the incoming speaker of the house refused to use the word "compromise." then two things happened. congress passed both the president's tax deal with republicans and the repeal of don't ask, don't tell. some liberals felt abandoned by the president in his tax compromise with republicans, so where did that leave congress's most clear and consistent
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liberal voice? joining me now, ohio congressman dennis kucinich. congressman, how did you vote on the obama tax compromise and why? >> i voted for it. but i didn't vote for it because it was a, quote, tax compromise. unemployment is very high in my district in cleveland. i couldn't go back to my district and look at all these people who are trying to survive, not get more tax breaks so they can put more money away, but living paycheck to paycheck before they lost their jobs. and then once having lost their jobs, they live on unemployment compensation. how can you tell people, the rich are getting richer with this deal but we'll take care of your problem later on after we fight that battle. i had to vote to make sure people struggling to survive had a means to survive for the next
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year and more. >> there were a lot of out complaints out of your caucus. you were in the room. >> you could say that. >> publicly members saying obama got a bad deal, a bad negotiator, he's weak, he could have hung in there and gotten a better deal. do you see in retrospect a route to a better deal? you could have been led to a better deal through congressional leadership or the president? >> i don't know. i have to tell you, since i wasn't part of those negotiations, it's tough for me to be able to give you an insight. i will tell you this, though. there are so many moving pieces in this particular deal, somebody obviously thought the concerns of people like myself would have to be addressed by dealing with the unemployment compensation. then how do you balance that against return to the bush tax cuts? you know, this calculus that resulted in shaping this was calculated, i think, on the fact
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that there's a republican majority that will be governing from the house of representatives in 2011. that the senate remains a tempestuous place. we should not doubt the president was trying to build consensus. the public looks for something more feisty. what we have is a president who believes this the best deal he could get, even though there are those that feel it maybe could have been negotiated in a different way. in the passage of don't ask, don't tell in the senate, i think there's an important lesson in the politics of governing, which in my view includes the very simple fact that the most important vote is the next vote, is what's coming up next and who is going to be with you next. joe lieberman, who voted against -- voted with the republicans on the tax vote in the senate and has been driving
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liberals crazy for years now was the champion and the leader in the senate of getting don't ask, don't tell repealed. is there a lesson in that for the way democrats should regard each other when they disagree, meaning is one disagreement on one vote worth attacking a democrat and trying to bring them down in their re-election campaign, or do you wait it out and see the full record that senator or congressman turns in? >> this discussion you're starting here is very important because if i learned anything from this last vote, it's to have compassion for my fellow members of congress on both sides of the aisle who took positions on both sides of the issue. we have to be careful in judging each other on a single vote. this is a very difficult vote, the one that combined all these tax elements plus unemployment compensation. and on don't ask, don't tell, it
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is not worthy that senator lieberman led the way in the senate. i think we always -- we have to be very careful about labels in washington. just when you think you have someone labeled, something will come up that will cause you to think again. i think what's called for is an overall az men based on somebody's career, not just a single vote. although some of us a single vote can make our career, there's no question about it. >> congressman, as you know, there was tremendous disappointment in barack obama for going along with this deal on extending the top tax brackets, the bush rates. an op-ed piece by michael learner who said the real way is to challenge hip in a 2012 democratic primary to keep him honest to democratic party ideals. one of the candidates that this op-ed piece suggests as a primary challenger to barack
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obama is dennis kucinich. you've been in the last two democratic presidential primary runs. do you agree with this concept the president should be challenged in the primary in order to get him closer to democratic ideals and is it something you should consider. >> rabbi lernor should be respected for his insights. i'm not a candidate nor will i be. we should be careful keeping the debate going about the underlying issues of the tremendous acceleration of upward wealth in society, about the role war plays in our daily lives, when it's so obvious the reason for the war were based on false hoods or continue to be based on miss perceptions with afghanistan. issues of trade, how americans end up being suckers of the world in the name of free trade. we have to look at the role of
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our monetary system. these are things we can inject and project into a debate without waiting for a presidential campaign. i expect to be involved in the debate but not as a candidate. >> congressman dennis kucinich, the liberal voice of the house of representatives, thank you very much for making news tonight and announcing your nonpresidential candidacy on the last word. >> good to see you. >> thank you, congressman. coming up, haley barbour says his recollection of segregation was that it wasn't all that bad. he gets tonight's rewrite. up next, our effort on the last word to get school kids up off the floor in malawi and onto chairs an desks. it's called kindergarten, kids in need of desks has been more than kindergarten. sosign then drive
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program i announced this show's unique partnership with unicef and the kind fund, kids in need of desks. you can see my report of my trip to malawi that led to this effort to get desks and chairs in classrooms where almost all children now sit on the floor. often dirt floors all day. last thursday was also larry
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king's last show, which not surprisingly depressed the ratings of this network at 9:00 and 10:00 p.m. so the appeal i made for your help in supplying school desks to african children was received by an unusually small audience for this show, but you'd never know that by the overwhelming response. i went to malawi. and with the cash in my pocket was able to buy 30 desks to furnish one classroom. i was hoping that by sharing my experience with you we could raise maybe $50,000 to buy more desks. then i kidding i would quietly continue my pet project of personally buying more desks, all of which are made in malawi and therefore help economic development as well as education. by the close of business friday, less than 18 hours after our announcement, unicef had processed hundreds of thousands of dollars in your contributions. as of tonight, you have
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contributed over $600,000 to kids in need of desks. that's 12,000 desks, which will seat at least 25,000 students, maybe a couple of hundred thousand students over the full life of those desks. that is enough desks to cover two of the four districts in malawi that we have targeted for our initial delivery of desks. you can continue to contribute at our website lastworddesks.msnbc.com. you can get a desk as a last-minute christmas present for friends who already have everything or at least have enough. unicef will send your gift recipient an e-mail saying a desk has been purchased in his or her name. a desk costs $48. it is designed to seat two children. so for only $24, you can get one child off the floor. at the schools i visited in
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malawi, three students easily fit at one of those desks. i can never thank you enough for this moving demonstration of your generosity. and some of you have seen in my report the children of malawi and how they will be more than grateful for your kindness. how does vanishing deductible work ?
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in the spotlight tonight senate majority leader harry reid has told democratic senators from new york after the s.t.a.r.t. treaty vote the senate will hold a vote on the 9/11 health and compensation act. the bill will provide care to workers who developed health issues stemming from the world trade center recovery effort. "the daily show," criticizing senate republicans who filibustered the $7.4 billion bill earlier this month because it was too expensive and democrats had yet to agree to
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extend the bush tax rates to the wealthiest americans. stewart also attacked senator kyl's assertion that considering legislation around christmas is disrespectful to christians. >> so basically what he's saying is i can't stay here and work between christmas and new year's, that would be disrespecting christians and his family. do you have any thoughts on that? >> it just goes to show the disconnect between those we elect to represent us and those that get out there and do the work. i'm here to say you won't find a single new york city firefighter who considers it doctors to work on christmas eve or christmas day. >> since then they reached out in hopes of getting the bill passed before christmas. >> i believe that we have more than enough votes that we need to pass this legislation. we have worked extremely close
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with a number of our republican colleagues and have made a series of changes to the bill to accommodate their support. we have reduced the size of the legislation. we've reduced the cost by more than $1 billion from $7.4 to $6.2 billion and this will not diminish the health care we're able to provide for these heroes. we've also changed the way we'll pay for this bill. unlike a lot of things in washington ths washington, this bill is fully paid for. >> one of the beneficiaries of the 9/11 first responders bill will be the fire department of new york's lieutenant martin. for weeks he sifted through the ground zero toxic debris in search of survivors of the attack. he soon developed a rare autoimmune disease that effects one in 100,000 people. since then six of the first responders have developed the disease.
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joining me now new york firefighter lieutenant martin fulham, also president of the afl-cio dennis hughes. lieutenant fulham, talk us through what this bill us about. why is it the new york city fire department through its normal health plan has not been able to provide you with everything you need? >> okay. first of all, thank you for having me here tonight. what the bill is going to provide for us, not just firefighters but also police officers, for the people in the trades who work down at that site as well as even civilians and people who live south of 14th street, the bill is going to be able to pay our medical bills. it's our biggest expense. for me it's a tremendous amount of money. my first six weeks when i got six in 2005, my bill was
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$320,000 for six weeks in the hospital. and as far as the new york city fire department, they see this as, you know, a national issue not a local issue. that's why they are looking for federal government to pay for it. and all my bills are paid through other sources in the new york city fire department. right now i have medicare, ghi. we have some money, of course. every year we have a fund that gets renewed through the federal government to help pay our bills but we have no set way of paying my medical bills. i personally need this to live to pay my bills, pay my medical expenses as well as other people. our care is quite extensive and the illnesses are far ranging from lung diseases to cancers. it's very serious. it effects at least 100,000 people. >> dennis, that was my next
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question. how many people does it affect. $6 billion is a lot of money. when you talk about 8,000 first responders, it's a much larger group than that. dennis, let's listen to senator kyl on fox news who says the bill is a lot of money and he is, quote, skeptical about the bill. >> it's one thing to make an emotional appeal to say we need to care for somebody who did something good. it's another to do it in a sensible way. that's all we're asking for. you bring it up in a lame duck session with no opportunity to amend it and you're going to make bad legislation. all of this could have been done earlier, i might add. >> dennis, can you address senator kyl's concerns? >> yes, i can. >> how this bill would work, how it was developed. this bill was not developed in december 2010. >> we've been trying to get this passed for 10 years now since it started in the house. i want to point out to the senator it started in the
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senate, conversations with hillary clinton in about 2007, 2006, 2007. there's been 22 hearings in the senate. there's been ample changes in the bill that anyone could have participated in. the bill has shrunk in size at senator gillibrand said. we looked at it many different ways. we changed the way it was paid for so it would be more acceptable to the senate. so i really don't understand the senator's -- i guess he just wasn't paying attention through most of this. i also want to say we want his vote. because all americans benefit from taking care of those who were injured like my friend marty fullam on september 11th dealing with that tragedy. >> lieutenant fullam, do you encounter any doubt among these republicans and others that
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maybe some of these illnesses are not related to that? maybe some of these illnesses were going to occur anyway? is that part of what's going on here? >> i could imagine there are illnesses that -- it's such a large group of people. as far as new york city fire department is concerned, all our time is documented. our illnesses are all documented. anything anybody wants to come and scrutinize it is more than welcome to. they can take to the doctor from the new york city fire department who oversees this. i think the numbers would show otherwise, statistics. >> if i can, there's 22 classifications, i believe, of direct respiratory and esophageal problems that are set up. there's ways of verifying exactly who was there, what the
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effects were. we went out of our way it did help those that need help directly. the safeguards on the bill, if they read it through, they would understand this is a very, very serious attempt at trying to make sure compensation only goes to those that need it. you have to remember, this has taken seven years to put in place. it's not something we've done over the weekend. i want to say this, if i can really quickly. time is our enemy here. after the s.t.a.r.t. treaty it goes to the full senate. it passes. i have assurance from the senator it will. they worked this very hard. then it has to go back to the house. if the house leaves before it's done in the senate or other technical roadblocks are put in place, we could lose this. time is really our enemy and we have to get it done before the end of the session. >> lieutenant fullam, i know you're not healthy enough to do
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this. if you could go down to washington and chase a senator in the hallway on the way to a vote and had a few seconds to get a word in, if you could talk to a republican opponent of this bill, what would be the one thing you would want to say? >> i would just say, we need your help. it's a matter of pride that the united states pays for this and helps us out. we were there when they needed us. we never questioned it and we never will, as far as new york city fire department was concerned. we had two occupied buildings that day they were in trouble. we weren't going to leave them and we weren't going to leave the people, the citizens of new york, the citizens of the united states. and to us, it's a matter of pride that our government pays for this. it was a national attack. okay. >> thank you both for your time, lieutenant martin fullam of the
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new york city fire department and dennis hughes of the afl-cio. thank you both. mississippi governor haley barbour is a late entry in the contest for stupidest, most career killing statement of the year. looking back at 2010 jibjab style. you might have seen the video but we'll talk to the creators. oh, my gosh. [ male announcer ] together we'll make her holiday. that's why only zales is the diamond store. where you'll pay no interest if paid in full by january 2012.
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segregation group, the white citizens council. quote, you heard of the citizens councils? up north they think it was like the confirm kk. where i come from it was an organization of town leaders. in yazoo city they passed a resolution that said anybody who started a chapter of the klan would get their ass run out of town. we didn't have a problem with the klan in yazoo city. the governor's pathetic attempt to rewrite mississippi history was authoritatively corrected by professor from university of southern mississippi who took on the subject of the citizens council in yazoo city in his book "the citizens' council, organized resistance to the second reconstruction." predictably the boycott, as an instrument of repression found most effective employment in a cotton center such as yazoo
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city, mississippi, the self-styled gateway to the delta. the local citizens' council there was one of the state's oldest and largest. professor mcmillen goes on to describe how the citizens council there used tactics like taking out an ad in the yazoo city herald, naming the names of anyone who dared to sign an naacp desegregation petition. then there's this, a newsletter from the citizens council from august of 1956, obtained from the university of tennessee by talking points memo. it includes a political cartoon featuring a black crows chirping for some white birds to mix. both white birds have looks of horror on their faces. in his weekly standard
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interview, governor barbour commented on the civil rights battle in his hometown of yazoo city saying, i just don't remember it as being that bad. not that bad. governor, when you were a teenager and right through your college years, dozens of people were murdered in your state. murdered by police, murdered by klansmen, murdered by police who were also klansmen, for what? for trying to end segregation, the thing you remember as not that bad. if you are foolish enough to run for president, you will spend your short hopeless primary campaign trying to rewrite that statement. and tonight you will get no rewrite help from me. [ sneezes ] client's here.
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banks collapsing, the threat of a nuclear iran, huge deficits, crisis on the korean peninsula, bp oil spill and gridlock on capitol hill, those are just a few of the things that went wrong this year. the obama administration is hoping we forget some of these things. the guys at jibjab.com are helping us remember. ♪ we passed health care they shouted repeal. >> so on international tv and said it's a real big [ bleep ] deal with volcanoes, bailouts, oil
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from bp ground zero so long to 2010 ♪ ♪ passed finance reform faced a justice my ratings plunged to the floor no credit for ending a war ♪ ♪ ♪ 2010 we can't wait for you the guy from jetblue shellacked us in the midterm ♪ ♪ california just wants to get high ♪ ♪ inherited wars and mountains of debt politicians and nuclear threats
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as president that seems to be what you get ♪ ♪ that's why i want one he only wants one just give me a dam cigarette so long to 2010 ♪ >> that's definitely going to need stitches. joining me now, the guys behind all the jibjab magic. greg, do you think the president really wants a cigarette that bad? is that what it all comes down to? >> i think so, yeah. if i had that year i would want a cigarette and i don't smoke. my guess is, yes, he wants a cigarette. >> you had two minutes to summarize the entire year. there must have been ideas, darlings you didn't have in there. if you had two minutes and 30 seconds, what other items would you have seen in there that you would have loved to squeeze in. >> that's a great question.
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i think the real question was once we decided to look at the year from obama's point of view, we lost all of the pop culture references. we lost everything that didn't have to do with american politics, and that's always disappointing. but giving it obama and joe biden's pov really helped us out, i think. >> and speaking of joe biden, he's the only one who gets an actual quoted line in the whole piece. he gets the line of the year, isn't it? big something deal, that was an easy one to pick, was not it? >> absolutely. that was the launching off point that gave us lots of opportunities for joe to weigh in on with a foul mouth. that he didn't really weigh in on with a foul mouth but we thought it was kind of funny. >> on don't ask, don't tell, i noticed you guys glided by that. have you to produce this before
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this week. so you couldn't tell exactly what the outcome was going to be on don't ask, don't tell. so is that the kind of thing that you sweat about a lot when you're trying to put this thing together? you're going to make a reference to something you don't know what the outcome is yet? >> absolutely. i think we just got lucky on that one. we picked stories to put in this thing that we feel are important enough. that one really popped right before the release. wikileaks as well was another one we put in because it happened earlier in the year. about two weeks ago it really exploded as a story. so you know, for us for comedy's sake we got kind of lucky. >> why do you limit it to two minutes? what are the time limitations you have to consider in putting one of these together? >> well, typically dealing with internet attention spans. we found, we've been doing this now 11 years. we

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